Let’s Marry Harry Episode 4: He Called It Toxic… Then Saved Her

Andrea Knoche (: 00:00

Welcome back to From Mrs. to Ms. I am doing yet another week of recap of my favorite guy right now, Harry Jowsey from Let's Marry Harry. And I had to bring in a resident expert here. I brought my good girl Ozzy Osborne here with me because I just can't get through this alone. I need someone. I

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:21

Girl.

Andrea Knoche (: 00:22

need someone to like give me some.

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:24

Gotcha girl.

Andrea Knoche (: 00:25

You got me. You got I need like the banter and the feedback because I'm I'm going through it and I wanna like turn to somebody and go, Right? What? What the fuck? But it's only me. So yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:38

no, the whole I can I just tell you, I love me

a good reality love dating show. And I was very resistant to see this because I I have

Andrea Knoche (: 00:44

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 00:47

seen him on other reality shows. So I'm very familiar

Andrea Knoche (: 00:49

Yeah.

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with Mr. Harry Jawaski, whatever the fuck his last name is. Dowsy.

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Chowzies.

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and I kind of understand his type, but he's attention seeker, right? Like I get

Andrea Knoche (: 01:00

Yes.

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it. And I'm like, what the F? Okay, it's a train wreck that I just

So I started watching it and I I have to tell you, I binged it in one sitting. My the whole

Andrea Knoche (: 01:10

no.

Ozzie Osborne (: 01:11

time my mouth is like this.

Andrea Knoche (: 01:14

I know I did the same thing. That's why I was so excited to ask you. Have you watched this? Because like some people don't know who he is. And I think because you and I do enjoy the mindless entertainment of reality shows that we just kind of watch, you know, he was on, wasn't he on Yay

Ozzie Osborne (: 01:29

For research. For research, Andrea.

Andrea Knoche (: 01:32

race? Totally for research. He's always been like, okay, I love that he's 6'5. Like that right off the bat is like, woo.

That is like a good thing. Okay.

Ozzie Osborne (: 01:44

But I think I think

what you really wanted to say was he's a fuck boy.

Andrea Knoche (: 01:47

He's a fuck boy. He is absolutely a fuck boy, a six foot five Australian fuck boy. And that's why I was very accepting to watch this because I'm like, that's good enough for me. I'll take it. But he is so,

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:01

Whatever floats your boat.

Andrea Knoche (: 02:03

he's so flippin' immature and just like the way he goes about everything. And I have been on this streak with the first three recaps of just going.

He is not husband material. How do you wake up one day after you have been a fuckboy for all of these years? He's been doing this for like six or seven years, this reality stuff. And then all of a sudden go, you know what? I'm 29 now. It's time to get married. I'm totally gonna change my style and be a total husband.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:32

Well, but hold on. Hold on. Hold on one second.

I will say there was a moment where I was like, okay, maybe when he got really vulnerable and talked about his dad,

Andrea Knoche (: 02:44

Huh? Yep.

Ozzie Osborne (: 02:45

I there was something that tugged at my heartstrings. And I know that certain life, big life changes that happened to us can change the trajectory of our lives and can change our perspective and can change our behavior.

And I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt. I thought, well,

Andrea Knoche (: 03:03

That's what we do.

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:05

maybe mortality knocked on his on his door and said, maybe, just maybe, you should take this a little bit more seriously. And I think he thought

Andrea Knoche (: 03:14

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:16

that too. I think he thought, okay, I've

Andrea Knoche (: 03:18

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:18

gone through this. I've been talking about grief on other podcasts. I've been

Andrea Knoche (: 03:23

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:24

dealing with this, it's been really heavy. Dad meant a lot to me. And maybe.

Maybe I could do a show about it. I don't know. And Netflix approaches him, obviously,

Andrea Knoche (: 03:35

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 03:37

with this idea. And okay. Anyway, I've got so many things to say.

Andrea Knoche (: 03:42

No, I hear you.

I hear you. I'm sure that is what happened. He had this life altering experience with his dad. And then he's like, you know what? Life is short. You need to get your shit together. You can't just be playing this game all the time. I need to find my wife. I want to have kids. I want all of this before this happens. Because his dad's was not that old. Obviously, Harry's pretty young, right? I mean, he has older siblings, but I don't think he was that old. So, you know, you're thinking about that.

God, I gotta get my life going here. And I think that's kind of where it came from at the exact time that Netflix knocked on the door and they're like, So, Harry, we're thinking about doing a new show. You interested? And he's like, you know what? I'm interested in getting married. Let's do that. And they're like, brilliant, let's go.

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:22

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 04:24

So here we are. So it's interesting because in episode four, this might be the first episode that I actually thought, Harry Jowsey is actually showing me a little bit of husband material. I was kind of thinking this.

Ozzie Osborne (: 04:38

There were moments.

Andrea Knoche (: 04:39

There were moments, there are moments, but do not get excited because he also recognized that a woman brings out this toxic side of him. and he loves to talk about how he could have love-bombed her and he he himself called himself toxic, but then he chose to save this exact woman that caused the toxicity. So there's like it's kind of like one step forward and like approximately three steps sideways, is where we're going with him.

But we had one step forward, so I don't know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 05:10

Well, I

think there is a type of a personality that is really good and high of you know, in being hyperaware. They know themselves really well. They're they they can speak about it, but yet their actions don't match their words. And so I think he got really

Andrea Knoche (: 05:25

Yeah.

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good at hearing from other people about their perspective and and taking

Andrea Knoche (: 05:30

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 05:31

on this this perspective or this idea of what what being a human and being in life and very emotionally intelligent.

Andrea Knoche (: 05:38

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 05:38

A

lot of people who s who go through emotional, you know, emotional intelligence trainings or learnings or what I find findings or

Andrea Knoche (: 05:45

Mm-hmm.

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reading books or listening to podcasts, all of a sudden think they're an expert in it. And so now

they're high

Andrea Knoche (: 05:50

Yeah.

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you know, their awareness, their self-awareness is quite keen and and they could describe it very well. They could tell you what their shortcomings are and they could tell you, you know, but when it comes to actually the practice of it, that's where they fall short. And I think that that

Andrea Knoche (: 06:04

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:05

he has just gotten really good at

Being charming, right? And letting you think

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Falling short

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that, you know, letting you think

Andrea Knoche (: 06:13

Yeah.

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that he is evolved and he is, you know, he understands this about himself. He's self-aware. And then it's like that. But then all of a sudden,

Andrea Knoche (: 06:18

Yes. He's very charming.

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:22

give him some alcohol. His inhibitions go and some hot women. He can't say no. Like, would you?

Andrea Knoche (: 06:24

Yeah, and some hot women. He can no. I

mean, I don't blame him in this situation at all. He's 29 years old. He's got 20 beautiful, stunning women vying for

Ozzie Osborne (: 06:37

Stunning.

Andrea Knoche (: 06:37

his attention. And they're like looking at him like he is this prize. And so he's like, Hell yeah, bring it on. And so I don't blame him at all. I I mean it's like, come on, what are we doing here? I just

I just wish the premise had maybe been a little bit different. Let's not go so far to make them married, you know, and make them all engaged. Like maybe he's just trying to find like a real commitment, like a solid relationship. We could have started there. Yes. We ran. We ran and we wonder why he crashed. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 07:04

Baby steps. Yes, baby steps. Like exactly. Like how do you

it's almost like giving a ten year old a a car, a vehicle to drive, right? You don't you're

Andrea Knoche (: 07:19

Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 07:20

not quite ready yet, but you're gonna we're just gonna give it to you and let you drive and see where you take it. You're gonna crash it. You don't have enough right? You don't have enough under your belt. Well he does have plenty under his belt.

Andrea Knoche (: 07:23

Yeah, have at it Ex Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 07:33

I walked into that one. But he doesn't have enough experience

Andrea Knoche (: 07:36

That was a good one.

Ozzie Osborne (: 07:41

being a healthy, safe partner.

Andrea Knoche (: 07:45

Yes. Yes. Okay. So this one, I do like there's a little bit more communication with the women, which is why I'm kind of saying this is where I felt like there's a little bit more potential for him to be husband material. He has you know, just we're gonna go through it in detail, but like he has a great conversation with Abby on a two on one date with her and Rikaya. I think that's how you say him, Rakaya. And then also, you know, he has the conversation with Rikaya, he recognizes.

With Juliana, he's doing a lot of love bombing and the toxicity. So there's some recognition, there's some self-awareness here. So I was like, woohoo! We're actually getting somewhere. And it made me like him a little bit more because I'm like, there's potential. I don't know if there's potential in eight weeks, but there's potential. Right. So I was excited about that. So all right, let's just, let's just dive. yeah, please.

Ozzie Osborne (: 08:35

What I'm curious. I'm curious. What did you

think the potential was? Cause I think that it'd be interesting to hear your your your take on that.

Andrea Knoche (: 08:44

Well,

I thought the potential is for him to grow into finding somebody that he connects with on a different level than just this chemistry and they're making out somebody that he actually sees as a potential partner, sees as a a mom, a wife, that he can go, okay, I really enjoyed what she brought out of me. And it wasn't like this activation of like, you know, I'm she's a chase for me, because that's a lot of what this is. I think I talked about that last week with Amber.

Who is kind of like, you need to earn me, and I'm not just gonna give you all that attention. And he's like, hubba hub. I like that. I I like the chase. Cause he was kind

Ozzie Osborne (: 09:21

I like the chase. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 09:24

of like, I'm not sure if I like her, but I think I do, you know? And it's

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Ha ha ha.

Andrea Knoche (: 09:28

just so it's like this, he's just going through and learning with all these different women. I I so I think he had the potential to actually be able to get to a deeper.

conversation, a deeper situation with them. But as we go through this, we're gonna kind of see like he's so surface level. It is so hard for him to go beneath unless he's gonna talk about the passing of his dad. He can get, you know, deeper on that. but really like if I look back at the conversations that he had and the questions that girls are asking and he's just kind of shoving it off and then coming in for a kiss. It's just, it gave me the

Huh, what's the word? It yeah, because

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:11

Ick.

Andrea Knoche (: 10:13

it just reminded me of like guys that I've gone out with in the past and probably had a little bit of the same reaction, like, hubba hub. You know what I mean? He's giving me the cold shoulder. I like the chase. He's not calling me. He's not like, you know, jumping to ask me out again. And then I'm like, what? Why is he not doing that? And then it makes me want him more. So I just felt like I saw a little, and that's years ago. I'm not talking recent, but like that's, you know, what I'm seeing. And that's probably why I'm getting the ick on it.

But I'm hoping for better. I have high hopes for I don't know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:45

Yeah, I you know, I didn't love the fact that because I one thing he called out was like, I'm noticing that I'm I'm you know, I'm falling back into old patterns of being

Andrea Knoche (: 10:53

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:54

attracted. And I feel like a lot of that was such so much projection, right? Like it's it's him

Andrea Knoche (: 10:58

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 10:58

projecting it it's almost like making someone responsible for the toxicity that is created in his life instead of just owning that I attracted that. Right. Like I attracted

Andrea Knoche (: 11:05

Yes. She's making me this way. Yes. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:10

that. I like that's where I was like, I'm not buying it.

I am not

Andrea Knoche (: 11:14

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:14

buying your whatever book you read and podcast you listen to and expert that all

Andrea Knoche (: 11:19

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:19

of a sudden you're best friends with out in the world. All these people coming out like, I'm best friends with with with hair what? Like I don't I don't see it. I don't see how the friendship

Andrea Knoche (: 11:29

That

no. And you know, I am just gonna say this just because I have watched the reunion, I'm not giving anything away here. But Amanda Klutz does say that she just became friends with him like shortly before or like right after his dad passed away, which wasn't that long ago in this taping, right? I think it was within that year. So I

don't know how she came yeah, she came on as if she's his best friend of years. is that what it was?

Ozzie Osborne (: 11:50

Yeah, she interviewed him. She she interviewed him on a show.

Yeah, she I believe it was she was doing a show with Tyler or forget his name on I

Andrea Knoche (: 12:02

Cameron.

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think it was HBO, the one that that sees dead people. Yeah,

Andrea Knoche (: 12:06

yeah, yeah, yeah. Tyler Henry, yeah.

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so I think they interviewed she was the host and so she was interviewing him. I think that's where they probably connected on on the

you know the grief because she lost her husband during COVID.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:19

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 12:20

But

I didn't buy the fact that they're best friends. Like for you, like I was like, This is so manufactured. Anyway, let's keep going. I such a skeptic.

Andrea Knoche (: 12:23

No. No. Yeah. Weird. All right.

All right. Well, coming into episode four, we pick up with the Amber and Juliana situation. So Juliana is having like a serious conversation with Harry. And then Amber comes upstairs and she interrupts the conversation. And Juliana is pissed, right? So she's

She's feeling like I'm consistently pursuing Harry. I'm putting myself out there. Amber's really done nothing. She's keeping to herself. She's being nonchalant. And then she's gonna come up and interrupt my time. She's not having that. But in true Harry fashion, he's like, next, come on, come on in. So yes,

Ozzie Osborne (: 13:02

It was a revolving door.

Andrea Knoche (: 13:05

it is, it is. So you're just like, my God. So Juliana leaves, and then Harry and

Amber start making out, right? Like they have a nice little kiss session or anything like that. So, anyways, after that, it's just like it's so funny because Amber Amber goes downstairs and then she tells Danelle, Harry wanted to kiss me. I told him not to, but then they did anyway. It just makes me laugh, like their conversations that they have about it and want to make sure that the others all know the situation. He wanted to kiss me, but I told him no. But did you?

Ozzie Osborne (: 13:38

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 13:39

Yes, we did. So, anyways, I just think it's so funny how these women are acting, but also I gotta remember they're also majority of them in their 20s. There's a few in their early 30s, but for the most part, it's in their 20s. So I'm not really, really surprised, right? So when that whole thing happened, do you recall when she came up and interrupted? What are your thoughts on it? I always, if I r look at this compared to The Bachelor.

When somebody comes in, there's a girl having a conversation with them, and then somebody comes in and is like, Can I just steal in for a minute? There's so many times where I just wish the bachelor or bachelorette would go, Hey, I just want to finish this conversation with her first and then I'll come find you. Like that seems

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:18

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 14:19

like the most respectful thing. No, it's not drama, right? It's not what they're looking for, but why can't they do that? And I just wish maybe he had done that and said, Yeah, absolutely, Amber, give me a minute to finish up with Juliana and I'll come find you. But instead,

Ooh, they just swapped it out. And then there's zero, basically zero substance of conversation. And then they just start making out. So for you like the interrupting.

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:40

Yeah, I I agree with you. I agree with you. I think it's

Andrea Knoche (: 14:45

Which team do you think was better? You team Juliana or Team Amber? Which one should have or should not have done that?

Ozzie Osborne (: 14:51

I well, I mean in real life, real time, right? Like you're not going to interrupt so like that's that's that's you would want the person that you're talking to

Andrea Knoche (: 15:01

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:02

to stand for the moment, right? And not not allow someone to interrupt it. But I think that

Andrea Knoche (: 15:04

Yes, yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:07

if you think about the role of the bachelor or the role of Harry or whomever is the th the the the person looking for love, I think there's a couple of things. A there

Most of them are people pleasers thereby.

Andrea Knoche (: 15:22

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:22

They're they're probably gonna be like, okay, sorry, I'm sorry, I got I gotta go this one, right?

Andrea Knoche (: 15:27

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:28

Or I think in Harry's case, he's just excited that that all these women just are vying for his attention and he's gonna go for the drama because that's what he's attracted to.

Andrea Knoche (: 15:37

Yes

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:38

Or, you know, the producers like made this, you know, like who knows what the cut was like, right? Like I we're only

Andrea Knoche (: 15:42

Tell to do that.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:45

seeing a cut of what they show us.

Andrea Knoche (: 15:47

What they

want us to see. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:49

Who knows?

Like he could have stood up for he could have said, Actually

Andrea Knoche (: 15:51

He could have.

Ozzie Osborne (: 15:52

hang on. And then they're like, Actually, let's pretend you interrupted and you were okay with it. Let's let's start stir up some dramas. I don't know.

Andrea Knoche (: 15:59

Yeah, yeah. Not to mention, I'm sure if Amber has been very aloof with him and giving him, you know, kind of the cold shoulder, and now she is coming forward and saying, Hey, I want some time with you, he's like, hubba hubba. That's my that's my line for today, huba hobba. But I did yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 16:16

But but Andrea, really quickly, I have to say I agree with you. I think it would have been the

mensch and the gentleman thing to do to stand for whoever he's talking to, not to be rude and to cut it off, and then also not to be rude to the person wanting his attention, right? He could have done

Andrea Knoche (: 16:31

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 16:32

what I call the both and.

Andrea Knoche (: 16:34

Above and but then what I find interesting is that the women are the ones who kind of go at it with each other. Instead of, you know, they totally forget that Harry had the autonomy to pick one of them, right? They kind of go at it together until Amber does say something like she's like, Well, this is Harry's process, and

Ozzie Osborne (: 16:50

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 16:51

whoever he chooses to spend time with is ultimately up to him, which is so true. And so why can any of them get upset? Because it exactly that it came down to him. He had the opportunity to say no.

I wanna hang with her and he didn't. So you gotta kinda look at that. But you can tell there's already some claws coming out and they're already kind of like marking their territory with

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:14

Urgency.

Andrea Knoche (: 17:15

them. Yeah, there's not a lot of time. There's not a lot of time and there's a lot of girls.

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:17

Right. And so they know that.

So they're they're like, well, we better 'cause they know that there's there's a there is a picking, right? Like there's a what do you call I don't know what they call in this show, but there's elimination. So if there's an elimination, I better get my time in. So I

Andrea Knoche (: 17:24

Yeah. elimination. Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:32

could see that side too, where it's like I I better get my time in with him. So he I could I could sense him, he could sense me and we could, you know, have that spark. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 17:39

Yeah, or you're done. Yeah.

Cause there were a few women. I I'm like, wait, who's that? Cause they didn't get any time and or show us any time. So they were done.

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:49

But his friends

were also I mean that's the what's interesting. I think the twist in this show is that his friends were choosing for him.

They were eliminating

Andrea Knoche (: 17:56

Yes,

Ozzie Osborne (: 17:57

for him and he had he has right, he has the choice

Andrea Knoche (: 18:00

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 18:01

to by the way, I'm not going beyond episode four, right? Okay, good. They're they're choosing.

Andrea Knoche (: 18:05

Nope. Nope. You're good.

Yeah. Yeah, they are. They're choosing who goes home and then he gets to decide if he wants to agree with them or save somebody. So yeah. So and I like that because they're the ones that are getting to kind of watch as things are unfolding, even though we don't see all of it. They're seeing what happens with the women. So at least I like that. So in this one, if you recall, they give them

They gave them a really good challenge. The friends gave them a really good challenge where they had to kind of steer Harry through different obstacles. And yeah, remember, and they're going off

Ozzie Osborne (: 18:40

Blindfolded.

Andrea Knoche (: 18:41

of, yeah. They're going off of like he has to listen to the person. He has to trust the person. He has to communicate, right? So which is really good. And then he's kind of blindfolded and the women guide him through these wedding themed obstacles using only their words. So there were a bunch of teams, you know, they teamed up.

Two girls, two girls, two girls, two girls. I don't need to go through who each team was, but then anybody else on the side is screaming out like fake directions to him. So he really has to listen, which is, and you would agree, being a dating coach and who you are, that's a really good relationship exercise because you have to discern can I hear my partner through all this chaos? Right. I need to focus and can she still be seen no matter what's going on within our lives? And you know.

Whether whatever the struggles are, right? So I like that. And he had to choose to really focus and listen and trust. So I think that was really good.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:35

Diffuse awareness.

Andrea Knoche (: 19:36

Yes. Yes. Did it for you, did that challenge tell us anything about whether Harry would be a good partner or not? Did it give us? Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:45

Well, can I confess something? I fast forward.

I got the gist, but I was like, I'm getting bored with that episode. I'm gonna fast forward

Andrea Knoche (: 19:53

You're like, okay, yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 19:55

this. But yes, I think, you know, the art of and again, this is not easy for for men. It's just not. They're not wired this way. You know, they're

Andrea Knoche (: 20:02

Yeah. Nope.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:05

we're we've got diffused awareness. Like we we can see th we hear and see things that are all right. Like we could do multiple things at the same time.

A man's brain is not designed to to be like,

Andrea Knoche (: 20:16

No, it's compartmentalized, yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:18

yeah. So they're his focus is he needs to get to the to the you know, he needs to get through this, he needs to survive this. That's

Andrea Knoche (: 20:24

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:25

his focus. So that's a great exercise for him to to learn how to be to to

Andrea Knoche (: 20:30

Listen.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:30

to he to hear what's going on here, but to also be very present with what's what he's actually supposed to be focused on, right? So I think

Andrea Knoche (: 20:37

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:38

it's it's definitely a practice.

that is important in a relationship because oftentimes when a man is dating a woman and a woman is

Andrea Knoche (: 20:51

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:51

in her you know is sort of in her storm, right?

Andrea Knoche (: 20:56

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 20:57

it would take, you know, it would take a very elevated man, secure elevated man, to know what to pay attention to and what not to pay attention to. Right. So it's

Andrea Knoche (: 21:07

Yes, yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 21:09

an I think it's an important practice for

For for men.

Andrea Knoche (: 21:11

Yeah. I think

it was a good one. It was a good one. So from that, we had the winners were Rakaya and Abby. And so they got to go on a date with him, just the two of them. so that was exciting. And they went and did like the repelling first movie. He was so freaked out on that. Coming down on that thing, which was pretty I mean, he couldn't get that stuff off fast enough at the end.

Ozzie Osborne (: 21:35

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 21:35

He was like, Let me out of that. So that was really funny.

but so then he went off to kind of talk with Abby first. And I like that. So I've been kind of in the previous episodes kind of saying who my front runners are from what I think because there's too many to remember them all. So I just kind of picked the ones that have been my front runners. And Abby was not in that okay,

Ozzie Osborne (: 21:54

Which are

Andrea Knoche (: 21:55

so I've had like Donnell. I was gonna say Donnell, Amber is a front runner, Sam

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:01

Sam, yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 22:03

I'm trying to think of who else was was in there. I had about six girls in there. I'd have to go back and and look. But Abby was not one of the ones in there. But she is now at this point, she's on my watch list because I think she has what Harry says he wants. I do think that she was family oriented. She wants marriage. She wants kids. She wants like this traditional family life, which is what he very much wants.

And she asks him a really great great question when they're having their alone time. She says, okay, Harry, picture an ordinary day in your marriage years from now. What does that look like? I mean, that is the questions we should be asking right now. Not what is your favorite color? What color underwear are you wearing? Are you boxers or briefs or anything like that, right? Yes. What does life actually look like? Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:45

Hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yes, because

it's it by the way, it could give you a lot of clues about someone's awareness

Andrea Knoche (: 22:55

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 22:56

about themselves, awareness about their future, awareness about, you know, the things that they like, the things that d they don't like. It

Andrea Knoche (: 23:01

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:01

could give you a lot of clues. It's it's one of the questions that I usually will train or or will coach someone into on the first few dates.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:09

Hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:10

maybe not necessarily when we're married, because we were not necessarily but but like imagine what what

you know, take me through a day in your life. What does that feel like? You know, like what's right. I think it's such a such a great

Andrea Knoche (: 23:17

Yeah. Yes. Such a great question.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:22

great question, but also one that if you are on the dating apps, one that would

Andrea Knoche (: 23:27

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:27

be really good at answering for yourself for someone else to to read.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:31

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 23:32

Because I think it gives people a clue into the things like it gives the people a glimpse as to who you are in

your life.

Andrea Knoche (: 23:39

Yeah.

Yeah. No, I loved it. I thought she did great on asking that. Nobody else was really doing that. And it helped me kind of just see them as a a a cute couple. I was like, okay, this makes a little bit more sense. And him responding about like, well, I'd be in Australia, I'd have my dog, I'd have all these things. And she was like, and we'd be cooking together. You know, it it gave us a little vision of what this could look like beyond

Ozzie Osborne (: 24:03

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:03

anything he talked about with anybody else. So I think that was.

That was really good. I did like that part. I thought that was the part. and it

Ozzie Osborne (: 24:10

The print.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:11

also kept him from being in this sexually charged situation, right? Where he's just trying to make out and and that's all he wants to do. Cause I get real bored with that when they just want to make out,

Ozzie Osborne (: 24:24

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 24:25

make out. I'm like, give me something, give me something, some compatibility or something. So I did like that. Okay, then it went on to Rikaya. Now

I really love this scene because again, I think it got to see got us to see another side of Harry where he had to sit in this uncomfortable situation and get himself through it. I think they both handled it pretty well. I think she handled it better than he did. I didn't love the way he said certain things, and you can probably chime in on some of this, but you know, she was very direct up front. She was like, Pretty sure I'm the only one that you haven't kissed. Like, are you actually feeling something with me? Is this or is it in my mind? Right. And

You could tell by his body language, the way he was. He was not touchy-feely with her at all. He was not leaning into her. He was not giving her any indication that he's like, Yeah, I'm really into you. So we knew it was coming. But it was the way he was saying certain things. Like he kind of said, he just said, like, I don't I I I'm looking for a wife. I'm not looking for a friend. He kind of said.

Kind of said that and that he loves all his qualities about her, but he kind of sees her as a friend. But he says that and then he goes, I just don't know that I could be your husband or that I see you as my wife. I don't think I see you as my wife. I wanted him to be concrete there. I wanted him just to say, I think you're great, you're amazing, but I do not see you as my wife. Because when he's dropping in those littles, I don't think I, I just don't think I see you as my wife. It's like the breadcrumbs, right? You're giving her something to hang on to.

Ozzie Osborne (: 25:59

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 25:59

And I'm

surprised that she wasn't more like, okay, well, but you're not for certain. You're not

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:06

Right.

Andrea Knoche (: 26:07

saying it. So what if we try this? Or what if you kiss me now? She didn't do any of that. And I like that. Right? What'd you think?

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:14

Yeah. No, I I think

I think that first of all honesty is is always important, especially when and and directness, right? Like your truth

Andrea Knoche (: 26:25

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:25

and and your directness goes a long way, but oftentimes it comes with a discomfort. And he's not learned how to be comfortable with the discomfort of confrontation. And he is a complete

Andrea Knoche (: 26:36

Not at all.

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:38

avoidant. Complete

avoidant. We all we see it clearly.

Andrea Knoche (: 26:39

Yes, complete avoidant.

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:43

He's he he avoids any conflict whatsoever. And so he will dance around something. And he even I think he even talked about that, that he's just conflict avoidant and that's he's uncomfortable with

Andrea Knoche (: 26:51

Yeah. He doesn't like com yeah, he doesn't like it. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 26:54

it in Katalic. He just gets like right. But but that's part of growing up. It's it's being able to

Andrea Knoche (: 27:01

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:01

face uncomfortable moments, knowing that it's for the best for all, right? that

Andrea Knoche (: 27:08

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:09

once you get through it.

Yeah, on the other side, it could grant someone a really beautiful gift, which which is the freedom,

Andrea Knoche (: 27:15

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:16

right? Which is the truth. and

Andrea Knoche (: 27:18

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:18

if you if you dance around something, a lot of times you're again, you're not being truthful and and it could really hurt someone in in the long run, even worse. So I think that's

Andrea Knoche (: 27:26

Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:28

that's something that I, you know, I don't think that avoidance mean to be this way. I just think they really,

Andrea Knoche (: 27:32

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:33

really struggle with the ability to be able to tell the truth because it

feels very it almost feels like death in their body and they'll avoid

Andrea Knoche (: 27:42

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:42

it at any cost. And so again, I'm not

Andrea Knoche (: 27:44

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 27:45

saying it's right. I'm just saying that I d I don't believe that they are that that he means bad by it. I just think that's what he learned and that's what he, you know, that's what he knows.

Andrea Knoche (: 27:56

It's it. And he's not matured

enough to get to the next step, which is what we're looking for and hoping for that he is. There's a little bit I think he gave there. Like, I, you know, I I do like that he didn't try to go, but let's just kiss and see what's there, or let me just keep you around another week. I I like that he actually did that. I just think

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:15

Right. I appreciated that.

Andrea Knoche (: 28:17

he could have done it, yeah, with a little bit more certainty. But again, that's that's the scarcity of like the conversation, the confrontation.

I've done it all the time. I've done that plenty of times,

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:26

Look,

Andrea Knoche (: 28:27

you know, you

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:27

he's I'm gonna say this, he's not yet a man. He's not has not fully

Andrea Knoche (: 28:31

No.

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:33

he's not fully filled into his man suit. He's still a boy. And I

Andrea Knoche (: 28:36

Yes. No he is not. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:39

you know, it I left that episode wanting to just to just be like, Harry, let me just hug you for a moment. Like you just you just need some

Andrea Knoche (: 28:46

I know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:47

like you need a mama bear hug. You actually need your dad. Really. In truth, you need your dad to to, you

Andrea Knoche (: 28:49

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 28:54

know

instill this this strong masculine sense of self. So and I I'm very curious about his relationship his true relationship with his dad because I from my perspective

Andrea Knoche (: 29:06

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 29:07

there's there are a lot of signs of of unhealthy masculinity that he he's picked up. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 29:11

Yeah. That he wasn't getting that. Yeah. Yeah. Very

interesting. Yeah. So we give him like a a little bit of bonus points for being forthcoming, being honest, trying to be mature. But I mean, he

Ozzie Osborne (: 29:25

Okay.

Andrea Knoche (: 29:26

totally admit he admitted to her, like, I usually ghost and I'm super dismissive. Like, this is not what I do. So again, some self-awareness. So, you know, there's a little bit of growth there. you know, okay, we're gonna give him that. That's it.

Ozzie Osborne (: 29:39

We'll give that.

But again, when you you put you put

alcohol, you add you add tits and ass, y you know, all bets off. Yes. It's a revolving door.

Andrea Knoche (: 29:47

Yes, and you're in trouble in a 29-year-old. Yeah. Yeah. So

but I've been doing a girl run this week. Every week I do a girl run. But this one, I'm, I am actually, I don't need to do a girl run because she held her head up high and she walked away and she responded with, I'm always gonna choose somebody who chooses me. And I love that she did that.

I

love that she did that. She was like, He's not choosing me. I don't need to sit here and make a fool of myself, throw myself at him, tell him to give me another week. What can I do to be different? Right. She she didn't need to do any of that. She just said, if you're unsure about me, don't worry, because I'm sure about me. So by Yeah, I love that. I love that. Cause often that's exactly what women do.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:28

Ooh, dang. Love that. If you're not sure about me,

I am sure about me. It is ladies,

Andrea Knoche (: 30:37

I am sure about me.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:39

ladies, if you're out there dating, please take notes. Men too. Like just take notes.

Andrea Knoche (: 30:42

Yes, yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:45

If someone is not sure about you, it's most likely because you're not sure about you.

Andrea Knoche (: 30:51

Yes,

yes. my gosh.

Ozzie Osborne (: 30:54

You know what I mean?

Andrea Knoche (: 30:55

I know what you mean. I know what you mean. Okay, so then we're gonna move on from this. So she she left. All right. So bye bye, Rakai. So now, yeah,

Ozzie Osborne (: 31:02

Bye.

Andrea Knoche (: 31:04

bye-bye. So let's get to Juliana. So Juliana has been really interesting for me throughout this because she was kind of, she was kind of like a little dark horse that kind of showed up in the whole painting.

episode which was last week's.

Sammy put her name on him and then she went and marked it off and she was trying to kind of take over there. And of course, he likes that, right? and then they had that date after, and he actually said, I

Think she's like my number one right now. He said that to the camera. And I know they edit it all different ways, but like he said that, and then it was the next episode of Donnell's birthday, and then him and Donnell go upstairs, you know? So you're just like, what? What is going on? That's another that was a jaw dropping up where I'm like, you just had this amazing date with Juliana, and you're doing that, right? But I also kind of start to see very quickly, Juliana is very toxic.

Like she was just thinking that she owns him. She's very territorial. She's very immature. And so that was just bothering me pretty quick. But they were fun. They're playful. she doesn't like sharing him. So just a lot of things. But, you know, then Harry says something very revealing and he says that the side of him comes out with Juliana that it feels more lustful than loving.

So that was an interesting discovery. Again, we're giving him kudos for recognizing this, being aware of that. And he also says that she makes him feel like he's becoming toxic. Ding ding ding. I mean, he's saying it right there. He's recognizing his own pattern, right? Like he's seeing it and he's like, my God, this is it. This is what we're talking about. So, okay, so if you're Harry's friend, you're his little confidants,

And

he comes in and says, This woman is bringing out this toxic side of me. What are you telling him? What are you telling Harry?

Ozzie Osborne (: 32:54

Well, I'm asking him what is toxic inside of you? Because if you

Andrea Knoche (: 32:59

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:00

recognize it if you recognize it in her, like how much of it is, you know, if we teased out what's hers and what's yours, I wanna hear I'm more interested in what what's coming up for you. I'm less interested

Andrea Knoche (: 33:10

Yeah, yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:11

in what's going on for her because if she is reminding you of a part of you that is unable to control yourself, right? You

Andrea Knoche (: 33:19

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:20

you find yourself very you gravitate towards that because that's that that

feeds into a part of you.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:26

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:27

what's going on inside of you? What are you missing? What is what is

Andrea Knoche (: 33:29

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 33:30

right, like what is what's underneath all of this? And and and yeah, I would get I would get deeper.

Andrea Knoche (: 33:36

Yeah,

I love that. Yeah, it's really interesting because he was also saying that she you know, he she's bringing something out of him that he starts fishing for validation, which is interesting, right? He starts going, Are you in love with me? Even though he knows he isn't in love with her. And he just keeps saying things, well, how do you feel about me? You know, and so it's I'd be interested to know what that kind of means for somebody. Is that somebody who needs safety?

Like he's needing to know he needs to know that she's into him, even though he's not into her. What do you think that means? Where does that go?

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:15

Yeah, I think it's a you we get a false sense of safety when we depend on our external world, so other people around

Andrea Knoche (: 34:21

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:21

us to determine our safety. And so validation,

Andrea Knoche (: 34:24

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:25

if validation makes them feel validated, then this is someone who's who's got a trait, right? It's a it's a very young trait that hasn't evolved into knowing and understanding that your worth and your value is dependent on your worth and your value.

Andrea Knoche (: 34:42

Mm. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 34:42

And so it's not it

that has nothing to do with someone else outside of you. So if he's seeking it from someone, hey, tell me, tell me you love it's really, it really is. If you break it down into a little boy, you really I I see him as a little boy. So when I see him as a little boy, it's like, please tell me you love me. Please love me. And

Andrea Knoche (: 34:59

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:00

and then when you when you do give him the love, he doesn't know how to receive it. So he retracts. It's too much for him. It becomes

Andrea Knoche (: 35:04

Mm. Mm. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:07

too, too, right? Comes at him too too much. And he doesn't know how

to so

Andrea Knoche (: 35:11

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:12

He's got a few things going on here that I would say definitely need some therapy and some support. But you have to remember when we're dating and when we're in a relationship, we're often stuck in loops, what I call vulnerability loops. So what comes up for you in relationship when we're talking about attachments? What comes up for you in relationship from what you've learned, how to be, how to show up?

you know, can sometimes trigger something in someone else. And then that person is now triggered and then their trigger triggers you. And you both go into your protective ways, whether it's retracting

Andrea Knoche (: 35:48

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:49

or whether it's the anxious one that now is coming after you, like wanting more,

Andrea Knoche (: 35:53

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 35:54

trying to close the gap. There's if there's too much space, if if right, if if someone didn't talk to them, it took a while for them to respond to them, they go towards that person.

and try to close that gap because it feels too uncomfortable and unbearable to to have that. So it there's a few

Andrea Knoche (: 36:11

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 36:11

things going on when when we're dating and and both are very active. That's why that's why I always say it's it's never just about one person. If you're noticing that one person is toxic and you want to blame them for your toxic behavior, I question that.

Andrea Knoche (: 36:24

Yeah. Not yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 36:27

You haven't learned how to take accountability for your for your part.

Andrea Knoche (: 36:31

Yeah. Yep. So true. Well, I love that they were like, let her go. Then you need to let her go. She's not right for you, right? You are totally describing that, you know, she's giving you the potential to manipulate this woman. She's allowing it, right? Because he's like, she's making me want to love Bob. I mean, this is such a toxic conversation. It's so like ugh to me, you know.

I just hate all that love bombing and everything. And you can just sense it and feel it as he's like looking at her. And you can tell she's like more and more into him. And you know, he's like, and when you say to somebody, Do you love me? Do you love me? You are implying that you have somewhat of those feelings for them. And so he's he's saying that it just

Ozzie Osborne (: 37:14

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 37:15

don't you think or I'm not

Ozzie Osborne (: 37:17

I don't know.

Andrea Knoche (: 37:17

saying that he actually does have them. He's making her think. I should say it that way. He's making her think that he's got somewhat of those feelings for her.

By going, so how do you feel about me? Are you in love with me? I feel like it just implies that he's feeling that way about her, even though we know he doesn't. And he knows he doesn't. It's just, it's weird. It throws you off.

Ozzie Osborne (: 37:37

And I think the woman knows he

doesn't. I don't think the I think women today are super smart and self aware and they could smell that a mile away. They could smell that that's someone s seeking attention and is, you know

Andrea Knoche (: 37:47

Yeah. But she

didn't. She didn't say that because she came back and said, like she was like, well, I just, you know, he said to her, they had a conversation. He was like, I'm sorry. I just feel like I'm being love bombish to you. I'm manipulating you. I'm doing all of these things I don't want to do. And she was like,

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:06

Gaslighting.

Andrea Knoche (: 38:07

yeah. And she's like, I see. I didn't see it that way. I thought we were just joking and having fun and you know. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:14

Well, again, two very

mature beings that just get to evolve, right? Like I to

Andrea Knoche (: 38:20

Hmm?

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:20

me, that's such gaslighting. It's like you make me right. It's like blaming

Andrea Knoche (: 38:24

Yes, you're making me do this, yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:27

that's not at all someone who's evolved. And again, you run for the hills when you when you hear someone that puts it on you. Like you instead of just taking accountability, hey, I'm not feeling it. I'm not this this doesn't feel aligned to me and I don't wanna hurt you. I'm gonna

Andrea Knoche (: 38:42

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:43

I'm gonna end it right here.

Andrea Knoche (: 38:45

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:45

Done.

Andrea Knoche (: 38:46

Done. Done. Okay. Well the

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:48

Done. That's a mature

that's a mature person.

Andrea Knoche (: 38:52

This is not what we're dealing with. Clearly, sir.

Ozzie Osborne (: 38:54

Clearly. We're little boy-ish. It

should have been called Let's Help Little Boy Harry cross the street.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:06

Let's marry boy Harry.

all right. So now we're up to elimination time. So there are nine women remaining. We're down to nine already from twenty. There's nine remaining after Rakya leaves. And so the confidants get to choose. And of course, you know, they choose as the ones they chose. I was like, yep, yep, yep. But then there's always ones they gotta surprise you with. So and some of them

I'm like, I'm gonna say their name. I don't know what they look like. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:32

Wait, Andrea.

So tell me if you caught this because I was dying. So the three confidants, the ex-girlfriend.

Andrea Knoche (: 39:42

Yes. Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:45

How many times did you see her rolling her eyes? And like she must have felt like, What the heck am I doing here?

Andrea Knoche (: 39:51

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 39:52

Like I watched her and and was was just beside myself, like

Andrea Knoche (: 39:57

Well, it's weird

to me to bring on like an ex-girlfriend like that who they dated. And she we know he probably did shit to her, right? Like that that's why it didn't work

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:06

Hundred percent.

Andrea Knoche (: 40:07

out. And then she's coming on and and trying to be like knowing that he is not ready for something like this. And she's like trying to push it forward and help. It just was a weird concept to bring that on. I mean, I'm fine with them bringing on people that know him, but an ex-girlfriend, like.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:23

Yeah, those that was odd.

Andrea Knoche (: 40:25

It's

just a weird, weird choices. So, all right. So they choose to let Deborah Lee go, which I know what she looks like now, but I probably couldn't have told you at this moment.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:36

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 40:38

and Juliana. So Deborah Lee goes home, right? They had, they didn't really have a connection, nothing was progressing. But then Juliana comes back and Harry initially says that he really respects his his friend's decision. And then he goes, but I don't think it's the right one.

No! my god.

Ozzie Osborne (: 40:58

Yeah, yeah. There's there's a trait.

Andrea Knoche (: 41:01

And he literally tells Juliana, I notice a pattern in myself. I've dated women like you before. I feel this bad side of myself coming out and like I'm love bombing you. And then he saves her. What? Why? Why? I don't know. What

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:19

Well

Andrea Knoche (: 41:20

did you think on that when he saved her? Were you like screaming at the TV like I was no?

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:23

Yeah.

Yes. Well again, he he fell back in his old pattern. That's just a pattern for him. It's

Andrea Knoche (: 41:29

Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:31

it's it's the familiar, right? That

Andrea Knoche (: 41:33

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:33

we're always going to not always, but so long that we have not done much work and practiced the things that we learn, we are gonna get s we're gonna keep focusing or getting stuck in our loops. We're gonna keep being in

Andrea Knoche (: 41:46

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 41:46

our pattern because it's comfortable, it's familiar, it's what we're, you know, defaulting to. And that's where he

I mean it d it didn't surprise me. Didn't surprise me. I was sad, but

Andrea Knoche (: 41:56

No. But it seemed like,

yeah, because it seemed like he was agreeing with them. I'm gonna respect their decision. Then he literally gives like his own red flag report and then he appeals his own decision. And it's like, never mind. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:10

He yeah. He was being he was

being the old Harry, right? There's no

Andrea Knoche (: 42:15

He was being the

old hairy. And they were trying to take away that temptation for him because he already said it was a lot about lust, you know? But he

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:22

Mm.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:22

wanted that there. Netflix wanted that there. I mean, we all kind of wanted that there.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:26

You know, I would have loved

to have been the expert that's sitting with with him and 'cause I I always wondered why don't they ever bring and and you know, what's the show called where they're getting married, love it married for sight. They

Andrea Knoche (: 42:40

married at first sight. Married it. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:43

have experts that work with the couples, which I love because

Andrea Knoche (: 42:46

Mm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:47

you're constantly getting coaching throughout throughout

Andrea Knoche (: 42:49

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:49

your and I just think it would be s like it would have been so fun to coach him along.

Andrea Knoche (: 42:54

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:55

and just kind of keep him in in line and like catch the catch the moments where

Andrea Knoche (: 42:58

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 42:59

we see the old pattern so that he can be more aware but also practice his awareness. Yeah. But it wouldn't have made for good TV, right? Like it would have been it's not drama. We don't want him to do good. We want him to come back and do another show for us.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:04

Yeah. Yeah. It would not have we don't want Carrie to do good. We don't want Harry to be good. We want him to crash and

burn. We want him to unravel right before our eyes. And he pretty

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:17

Yes. Yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:19

much does as it goes on. But right now,

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:21

Good ratings.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:22

good ratings, good ratings. So because he saved Juliana, now that means somebody else has to go home. And then he chose to send home Ellie.

So Ellie was like the blondish, like a dirty blonde hair, beautiful woman. You could tell she was a little bit older than the rest, right? And the friends actually liked her for him because she was very mature and she was very

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:41

Yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:41

accomplished. and he said it was fun and everything, but he just didn't feel like a spark with her. So what are you gonna do there? Right. But

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:49

She was too stable for him.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:51

she was too stable for him. So

Ozzie Osborne (: 43:52

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 43:54

he always decides between who's really good for me and who activates me. And of course he chooses.

The

activation all the time. So, which I think happens a lot, right? People choose and reject these healthy relationships because it doesn't give them that emotional high that they're accustomed to. Like it doesn't give the drama that they need, right? That happens a lot. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:13

Well, again, it's not familiar to their nervous system. So they they

attract you know, we attract from where we are in our nervous nervous system. So if his nervous system

Andrea Knoche (: 44:21

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:22

still hasn't shifted, and again, that requires a lot of work. If that hasn't

Andrea Knoche (: 44:26

Yep.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:26

shifted, if you haven't changed the neural pathways, if you haven't actually, you know, practiced enough time with repetition, the work that you're learning, because I think he is learning because I think he's got, you know, he's got some some good emotional intelligence.

It's just there's a

Andrea Knoche (: 44:42

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:43

difference between knowing and actually knowing in the body and practicing.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:46

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I think he did her a favor. Did I think she dodged a bullet with that one? I mean, that was never gonna happen. She was way

Ozzie Osborne (: 44:53

Hundred percent.

Andrea Knoche (: 44:54

too mature for him. She looked great on paper, but you know, together it just didn't it didn't make sense. So that's

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:00

Yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:00

okay. And she was beautiful. She's gonna go off and find somebody else. So, all right.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:04

All these women

Andrea Knoche (: 45:05

All these women, I mean, they're all stunning. I mean, I know they do them all up, right? Like

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:10

Tell me.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:10

we look maze when we get done up, especially by actual

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:16

Makeup ours.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:16

Would swear

like, thank you, actual makeup artists and they do us up. You're like, Wow, look at me, you know. So but they they're all beautiful women. So that was really exciting.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:24

I'm not worried about

them. I'm hoping they're learning as they're going along about what not to attract. And so they're learning more about themselves, right? Because again, the dating seasons for us are

Andrea Knoche (: 45:36

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:37

selections or we're selecting what you know, what's what

Andrea Knoche (: 45:39

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:40

what can work with us, right? We're not just going, Okay, let's just let's just pick and like unless unless we're still in the I'm learning about myself stage. Right. We're selecting.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:51

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Totally.

Ozzie Osborne (: 45:53

Selection process.

Andrea Knoche (: 45:56

So anyway, it kind of goes into where Harry and Juliana have this conversation about him saying how he does all the you know, she brings out the love bombing and that he needs a validation with her. And of course she blows it off. Like I totally wasn't thinking that. I just thought like we were joking and having a good time. It's okay. I know you're totally in love with me. You know, they're like doing this whole jokey round thing. And

Ozzie Osborne (: 46:17

Dad.

Andrea Knoche (: 46:17

And you're like, my God, he's actually recognizing, he's admitting it, you're not accepting it, and you are giving him just what he needs to go. Maybe she's right. Maybe I was just kidding. Maybe it isn't what I think it is. So I like to give a husband material score each week. So I've been doing it. Okay. So last week in episode three, Harry got a four out of 10 from me. yeah. and you know.

I think that this week I'm kind of struggling because saving Juliana after literally identifying how toxic this is. I I don't know where to go. I don't know where to go from there. But I am also giving up bonus points for talking to Rakaya and having that really tough conversation, even though he didn't do it how I would have liked, but he still did and he recognized his dismissive his dismissive behavior with her.

And he also in this episode recognized that he chases validation. So he had a little bit of growth in this episode, right? And so I think that was really good. And so I'm gonna up his score this week to a five out of ten, right? I know, I know I gave him a little bit more this week. It does not mean he cannot go back down, but I gave him a little bit from a four because I felt like there was a little bit of growth.

Now, if you were scoring with me and you had to say out about ten, what you would give him this week based on kind of my gauge, I give him a four and two, two, he's at a two. And why would you say a two?

Ozzie Osborne (: 47:54

because it was very evident that he is v still very comfortable in his old ways. Which is not yeah, and and look, we

Andrea Knoche (: 48:02

Yes, yes. And so can so easily can fall back into it. Yeah. That's not husband material.

Ozzie Osborne (: 48:08

we all can fall into it, but there is you know, there is a falling into it and then there's the awareness that you're falling into it. And I don't think that he I I think he he almost had me. I would have given him a four or five until

Andrea Knoche (: 48:23

Mm-hmm. Until

Ozzie Osborne (: 48:23

But then when he pulled

that pulled that again, I was like, Yeah, no, he's full of shit.

Andrea Knoche (: 48:26

Yeah. The saving her

part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I needed to give them like a forfeit because I need room to fall. I can't I don't need to go in the negative. All right. So bait cool.

Ozzie Osborne (: 48:38

Yeah. All I have to say is, Harry, call me. If you want to be marriage material,

just call me. I got you.

Andrea Knoche (: 48:44

I'll get you straight.

All right. So based on what we've seen only through episode four, this is where my board is so far with these women. Okay, so I have Donnell. She's still extremely strong. he talks about her. I think he likes that she's 33. He knows she wants kids. She is relationship marriage-minded. And I I think he thinks about her a lot. He feels that he has the chemistry. and so there's something really good there, and I like that.

Amber, still watching her closely. he says that they align a lot despite not having had much one-on-one time yet. his concern is she does travel a lot. She's a travel photographer, I think. And while he loves working and all of that, he still likes to have his person be around a lot. So that might be a little tricky. Abby made a big move up for me. She didn't she asked him that really great question, the life conversation that they had.

She's not getting Harry to try to desire her. She's actually asking, could we have an actual life together? That's the way wives think. so that was good. then Juliana, yes, they have definite chemistry. Compatibility, there's a big old question mark there. We don't even know if they're compatible.

Ozzie Osborne (: 49:58

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 50:00

Dangerous. That's flashing red lights. She's dangerous, you know, but he can't let her go.

Cause there's something that is attracting that to him that he likes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:13

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 50:14

He likes. so I like that. yeah, there's a couple sleepers, but no big, nothing, nobody big. Out of those, who do you think is the front runner for you? Donnell, Amber, Juliana,

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:26

At this point.

Andrea Knoche (: 50:28

and Abby. Out of those four, if you're going with my list.

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:33

I would say that most of them I kind of was like, why are we

Andrea Knoche (: 50:36

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:36

rushed? Why are you rushing into the physicality of a relationship? That's to me, that's not marriage material. That's not how you define

Andrea Knoche (: 50:40

I know No

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:43

a marriage. And it's just it's like so

Andrea Knoche (: 50:46

But

it's also keeping up, like you said, you got to keep up with the Joneses. If the other girls are in there doing it, what are you gonna do? Right? Cause you wanna be around.

Ozzie Osborne (: 50:54

That still doesn't give

me the indication that you are marriage material or that you are marriage conscious. To me, that's

Andrea Knoche (: 50:59

Mm. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:02

saying I am on a TV show and I'm here to win. and at and at whatever cost, right? If I was their mom, I would,

Andrea Knoche (: 51:07

Yes, yes. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:11

I would, I would probably go, my God.

Andrea Knoche (: 51:14

I know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:15

don't give up the goods this quickly. So,

Andrea Knoche (: 51:17

No. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:20

and again, their age. who'd I say? I I did like.

I did like that Rachel Abby no, who's the name name them again?

Andrea Knoche (: 51:34

Amber Juliana. Okay.

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:35

Amber, sorry, Amber. Amber.

Andrea Knoche (: 51:36

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 51:38

I did like that Amber pushes back with him. That I liked. I kinda like that, like she's she's a little spicy. I like

Andrea Knoche (: 51:41

Yes, yes. And he likes. That intrigues him.

Yeah.

It'll be interesting to see. I would love almost which there probably is one. I think I've heard about one where they actually are like, you know what, let's make this if you're truly about marriage, Harry, let's make this a show of no physical connection until we're down to maybe the final three or something. How would that

Ozzie Osborne (: 52:01

Mm-hmm.

Andrea Knoche (: 52:01

have played out if none of them?

Could kiss, none of them could do anything. Cause that's what it really felt like to me. Like every time they came up for a conversation, it turned into a makeout session. And he's just looking at them, saying everything they want to hear just to get that kiss. It was so, it was triggering a little bit, you know. You kind of feel that. So that was ugh.

Ozzie Osborne (: 52:22

with the competitiveness in women. I think women tend

Andrea Knoche (: 52:24

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie Osborne (: 52:25

to have that edge with each other. It's I think that's

Andrea Knoche (: 52:28

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 52:29

that's what we s we're seeing is just there's this competition.

Andrea Knoche (: 52:32

Yeah, and you start changing a little bit of who you are. You see somebody like Amber being so mysterious, right? Like then you're you're like, maybe I need to be a little bit more mysterious. I need to be like that because he's attracted to that, right? she's kissing him over there like that, and he likes that. I gotta change the way I kiss. How am I gonna do it better? It's crazy. It's it's really weird what it can do to you in an environment like that. All right, so after four episodes, Ozzy, do you believe Harry is?

actually becoming husband material or do you think we're just watching a very self aware scary Harry? Is that what we're doing?

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:11

I think we're watching a train wreck.

Andrea Knoche (: 53:14

Train wreck.

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:16

It's a train wreck. I really wanted to believe in him. I really did. I was really rooting

Andrea Knoche (: 53:20

I know.

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:21

for him to to have come to his senses and to have to have like done some work, like real deep work that would have him showing up with more restraint and more maturity.

I believe a a a marriage requires that.

responsibility and if you

Andrea Knoche (: 53:38

Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:39

are just seeing it as a TV show or entertainment or as you know something to to win.

Andrea Knoche (: 53:48

Mm. Not it's not gonna happen. It's just good ratings. That's it. All

Ozzie Osborne (: 53:49

Nope. Not buying it. Yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 53:54

right. Well, that is our recap of episode four for this week. All right. I need everybody watching to weigh in on this because I think

Ozzie Osborne (: 54:01

Yes.

Andrea Knoche (: 54:02

this could be divided. Was Harry right to save Juliana? Was he

Ozzie Osborne (: 54:07

Okay.

Andrea Knoche (: 54:08

no? No. But that's okay. Some people might think that. And what did you think of Rakaya walking away when Harry told her he wasn't sure?

How did both of those things sit for you? because I loved her line. I I choose me. That was really great. So I love that. Give us your hairy husband material score after episode five. Again, mine was five out of 10. Ozzy gave it a big old whoppin two That's what she gave it. But that's okay. She's a little harsh. Yeah.

Ozzie Osborne (: 54:33

I'm I'm harsh. I'm harsh.

Andrea Knoche (: 54:37

All right. Well, make sure you're following because we're gonna move on to episode five next week and we're gonna see where we're left off with.

Harry and Juliana and where that goes, I definitely have concerns. But anything else to add? Ozzie, Ozzie

Ozzie Osborne (: 54:50

No, well first of all, thank you for having me and and making me this

Andrea Knoche (: 54:53

Yes.

Ozzie Osborne (: 54:54

is so fun for me and and it it I appreciate you and I appreciate the show and this is so fun and please bring me back for more of these.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:02

Absolutely. And if the the producers are looking for someone to actually coach Harry on this, tell everybody where they can find you.

Ozzie Osborne (: 55:12

at I am Ozzie Osbourne on Instagram.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:15

Woohoo! She does some coaching if anybody else needs it. All right, well,

Ozzie Osborne (: 55:20

yeah.

Andrea Knoche (: 55:20

yeah, do it. All right, well, you can find me. Y'all know where to find me. It's all in the show notes. I say it every week. So if you don't know by now, you never gonna know. All right, we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for joining. Have a good one. Bye-bye.

Ozzie Osborne (: 55:33

Bye.