BONUS EPISODE: Age of Attraction Episode 4 Recap | Is Age the Problem?

Andrea (: 00:00

Welcome back to From Mrs. to Ms I'm Andrea Knoche your host, and I am here again with my bestie Ozzie. We are diving into episode four of Netflix's Age of Attraction. And whoa, things are getting real fast. Real fast. Real fast, real fast. so hopefully you guys have been tuning in. Ozzie and I have been recapping.

Ozzie (: 00:14

There. Real fast. Real fast.

Andrea (: 00:24

Episodes one, two, and three so far. we've really enjoyed the show. And we thought that it just really related to what I often talk about on from Mrs. Tomiz and finding your person, not looking so much at the chemistry, but also the compatibility. And does age really matter? So we're really enjoying diving in and getting all the details and sharing them with you guys. So at this point, the honeymoon phase is it officially over? Hmm.

Ozzie (: 00:44

Yes.

Andrea (: 00:49

Let's find out. And this is also the episode where fantasy starts colliding with reality. Couples are starting to move in together, insecurities are showing up, age gaps are suddenly feeling a lot more noticeable. And some of these relationships are already starting to crack under pressure, which does make it a little bit more fun, right? So we've got jealousy, we've got emotional immaturity, we have communication breakdowns, and honestly, some giant red flags that we are seeing. And of course, we're going to talk about Jorge and Vanel.

Ozzie (: 01:06

Sure.

Andrea (: 01:19

Because that situation keeps getting messier and messier. We're also going to talk about the tension around the celibacy with them and the way they communicate and how that's becoming a little bit harder to ignore the question of whether this relationship was ever actually built on compatibility in the first place. So I can't wait to touch on them. We're also going to get into Vanessa and Logan, the emotional push and pull happening with some of the other couples and whether age is really the issue here, or if it's just personality and life experience.

And honestly, episode four. Well, this might have given us the biggest clues yet, which couples actually stand a chance in the real world, and which ones are just kind of addicted to the excitement of the experiment. I know which ones those are that I would say. So grab your wine or your orange juice or coffee if you're watching this in the morning with us. Grab your snacks, your situation ship, whatever you need, because we have a lot to unpack. Ozzie, my girl, how are you? Woohoo!

Ozzie (: 01:59

Yeah.

Mm-hmm. What up?

Andrea (: 02:17

I love

it. I love that you joined me on this ride with Age of Attraction. It's so much fun. And I love having someone to banter with and kind of get your opinion against mine and see how we've done it. I love that. I love that. All right. So let's get into it. Now, this episode starts out with all of the guests getting together. We have all the couples.

Ozzie (: 02:26

Yeah, we're spilling the tea.

Yes.

Andrea (: 02:37

That have actually gone to the promise room. They've made promises to each other to move forward. They've gotten together. And then they bring in Nick and Natalie, who are the hosts, to kind of chat about and find out each person's age because the couples know, but the other couples don't know. So that's kind of like, yeah, that's like, hey, we've got some juice for you guys, right? So and it's very interesting to see the responses because they're all pretty big age gaps.

Ozzie (: 02:54

Right.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Andrea (: 03:04

Trying think what

what's the youngest age guy or the smallest, like 16 years? That might be Libby and Andrew. Yeah. Up to the biggest of Jorge and Manelle. Yeah. Huge. ⁓ But Nick and Natal do take a moment to mention that they do have an 18 year age gap in their marriage. So they know what this feels like. And they did talk about that.

Ozzie (: 03:10

I think so, yeah. Yep.

Thirty three. Food Yeah.

Andrea (: 03:33

Once they put the actual number aside and they looked at things that they have in common or their future goals or things that they love doing together, it kind of made it all okay. Right. Even though it's a pretty big gap there. I think. Yeah. I just don't. I don't know. I'm not loving them as a couple, but what was I? I listened to him. I've said this. I listen to him all the time on his own show. I just like some of the dating advice that he gives. Plus I love reality shows, which he recaps them all.

Ozzie (: 03:46

Yeah. Still gives me the ick.

Andrea (: 04:03

and there was a girl on there, it's actually Sophia Vegara's sister, who's now on Selling Sunset. Yes, she sounded just like her. Yeah. And she's now on Selling Sunset. And she's she said, I don't know, she was plugging them, but she was like, and I have to say, I can't wait, wait, how would that accent go? I can't even attempt it. ⁓ No, I can't even. Okay. ⁓ but she basically said.

Ozzie (: 04:09

Really? how funny.

Don't even don't even

Andrea (: 04:28

that she loves Age of Attraction. It's her favorite show that they nailed it in every single way. That is absolutely excellent. And that as a couple and a host for the show, that they're phenomenal. She lost me there. But nonetheless, it's a good show.

Ozzie (: 04:44

Yeah, I

mean, it is a good show. I think it's a reflection. I think I feel that every show in pop culture tends to reflect what's going on in our culture currently, correct? So I think this I think when when a show, a new concept comes out, it sort of gives permission to people to kind of be themselves. Cause I think a lot of the stuff that comes out in reality TV is somewhat taboo or has been taboo and now it becomes mainstream. So now it's

Andrea (: 04:47

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Ozzie (: 05:12

it's kind of we you kinda see yourself through that and kinda go, ⁓ I did that and maybe I shouldn't have been so embarrassed or their issues are worse than mine. So it it does certainly give you that that so I I I have to say, I mean, yeah, it's it's entertaining, right? That's the purpose of them anyway.

Andrea (: 05:21

Yes, I agree.

It's entertaining.

Purpose of all of these and to make ourselves feel a little bit better about ourselves. Right. But I think we're all learning something also from all of these shows. I mean, we can, you know, we can look at all of them and go, okay, I see myself in that, or I would never do that, or I didn't think about doing that, right? There's so many different avenues. So I think that definitely helps. So, yeah, absolutely.

Ozzie (: 05:31

Yes.

Exactly.

Mm.

Social experiment.

Andrea (: 05:56

So now while they're all kind of giving their ages and we're getting the ooh, ⁓ what? You know, I love probably my favorite, although she's not, is Leah. I just say favorite because she loves that she she's 41 and she doesn't totally look it, she doesn't look in her 20s to me. I'm not gonna say that. I don't think she looks that far off of 41, but it's the way she says it. Are you guys ready for this? You know, and I'm like.

Just spill the beans. We know you're forty-one. And then she loves to be like, mm-hmm. What do you think of that? So that makes her laugh. That makes you laugh.

Ozzie (: 06:31

She's funny. Yeah, her her

I I think she tells the truth in her face. I I feel it I can pretend to be that too. You can't really hide the truth from her and and and I think she's got an air of confidence, right? That speaks to her age and she doesn't let anything by. She's one of she's she's right. She's someone that just doesn't she'll notice everything.

Andrea (: 06:39

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

⁓ no she doesn't.

Everything. But I also notice as this episode goes on that there I'm seeing more immaturity from her and the way she's acting with Chris. And so I'm excited to touch base on that in a little bit because I'm I'm she kind of gave me the ick a little bit. Like I'm like, girl, back off. Relax.

Ozzie (: 07:16

Well listen,

our attachment styles start to activate when we start to date someone new. So it gets revealed quite ⁓ literally in this in this episode and then following episodes. I think, you know, again, we're human and we're gonna behave based on the attachment that we have naturally, as much as you wanna act confident and secure, it creeps in.

Andrea (: 07:26

Yes.

Exactly. Yeah.

Ozzie (: 07:44

It creeps in for I think for all of us that have done work, it it will creep in naturally.

Andrea (: 07:45

Yeah.

Well, and I think again it depends on like how you're feeling about that person too, right? Like if you're getting the butterflies, the warning signs, but you're not recognizing that and you're thinking that's excitement, I think that's when we start doing a little bit more of the chasing and why hasn't he called me? Because you're digging them, right? You're really into them. So that's kind of what triggers that, I think, too.

Ozzie (: 08:10

And you also don't do well with space. So anytime there's a space, someone who's anxiously attached will try to bridge that space and however they need to, they'll they'll make it right. And again, it it will we'll speak about this in in a little bit.

Andrea (: 08:24

Yes. Okay, so we're gonna start out with Jorge and Vanelle. ⁓ I just find them really juicy TV. So remember he's 60, she's 27. So 30, yeah, 33 age guy. That's a little bit much for me. ⁓ so in the last episode, and if you want to go back and listen to the recap on episode three, right at the end they talk about how Jorge did not tell Vanelle that he has kids.

Ozzie (: 08:37

Yeah.

Mm.

Andrea (: 08:52

And then they cut to her and Libby's like, my God, does Ven does Jorge have kids, Vanel? And she's like, No, he doesn't. And we're all like snickering, right? Because we're feeling like, we know something she doesn't know, which is kind of funny. And so, ⁓ so then they cut to them having a conversation about it. And this is where he first spills to her that he actually does have kids. I wanna say it was three, three kids. I don't think he specifically said he just talked about their ages and

and whatnot, but ⁓ one of them is older than she is too. I think they all are same age, and then maybe the other two are older. There's no one younger, we'll say that. There's no one younger. So ⁓ yeah. So casually.

Ozzie (: 09:26

Same a I think I think one was same age, no?

Mm-hmm. There's no one younger. There's no one younger. ⁓ man. But he says it so casually. I think that's what bothered me about it. It was

like so matter of fact, right? And it, you know, she was she started to talk about being the youngest of five siblings and how her sisters are their protective ones. And then she says, as long as as long as he treats her right, her family will love him. Like she starts talking about, you know, kind of.

Andrea (: 09:46

Mm-hmm.

Mm.

Ozzie (: 10:01

you know, pumping him up as though like the family will love him as long as he treats her right. You know, let's forget everything else, but as long as he treats her right. ⁓ and then when he casually drops the the I think he I don't know if it's three though. I think it was only two kids, by the way. Yeah. My notes say two kids, but I could be wrong. ⁓ and all of a sudden her face changes. Dun dun dun.

Andrea (: 10:03

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Two, okay. Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Yes. Well, not only the fact that he didn't say anything ⁓ at the time. Or I'm sorry, not only the fact that he has kids, but also the fact that he didn't say anything at the time. And she she confessed about her need for celibacy right now. And that was really a perfect opportunity because she's saying to him, Is this something that you're okay with? Are you okay with moving forward with this relationship knowing that I am practicing celibacy right now? And so

Ozzie (: 10:34

Yes.

Andrea (: 10:52

That to me was a perfect opportunity for him to say, Yes, however, or yes and are you okay with me having kids? Right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 11:00

And even and even worse, Andrea, he then

tries to rush the whole process by kind of going, Are you are you okay with that? Does it bother you? What do you think? What's wrong? Right, like he notices her face change and then he tries to rush it so that they could kind of get past it quickly. Sir, sir.

Andrea (: 11:07

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yes, yes.

Sir

Ozzie (: 11:23

No. Mm mm. Just now.

Andrea (: 11:26

That's right.

Ozzie (: 11:28

Mm-hmm. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Andrea (: 11:34

You're welcome. That was good. I love this, sir.

Ozzie (: 11:36

And then and then

he tells her that he said that or he omitted that because it wasn't the right time. Okay.

Andrea (: 11:47

Yes. And I had that in my notes that he felt it wasn't the right time to talk to her about that. And he said that he felt that in the moment, the age thing was the most important thing. And so if there was an issue with the age, then it didn't even matter whether he had kids or not. But I'm going to argue that that she was okay. She already knew you were older and you weren't telling the age till the end. And that knowing he has kids that are older than her.

That already puts so much pressure and could add to her decision of knowing that he's 60 years old and wanting to move forward. That's where I'm like, but she needs all the pieces to to be able to put the puzzle together and decide if she likes it or not. Mm-hmm. Just bro. Sir, bro.

Ozzie (: 12:28

Yeah, okay.

Okay, first, bro, bro. Let's just tell the

truth here. We know from our dear friend Lori Gerber that you gotta tell the truth. So let's tell the truth here. You didn't tell her because you were afraid that the truth might change the connection. Let's just be real. You didn't want it to sever anything. You were omitting it on purpose. You knew what you were doing. This wasn't this wasn't just it wasn't the right time. It just you didn't want to not continue to move forward.

Andrea (: 12:39

Yes. ⁓

Right.

Ozzie (: 13:00

She's an attractive woman. You're attracted to her. She's much younger than you. How do you not see your kid in her? I don't understand. And yeah.

Andrea (: 13:01

Yeah.

Mm-hmm, I don't know.

Yeah. Cause then they go on to talk about does he want to have kids then going forward? And he says if he's in a solid, like intentional relationship, basically if he's married. And so then you're like, ⁓ okay. So there's a lot of pressure. And we'll talk about that later, you know, with her celibacy and being married, as well as now he will have kids when he's married. She's 27, she's gonna want kids. You're 60.

Are you really going to want kids in a few years, whether you're married or not? I don't think so. I don't think so.

Ozzie (: 13:45

Yeah, and would you want to have children with someone who just like lied to you? I'm I'm sorry.

Andrea (: 13:51

Right,

right. And she of course is smitten with him, so she's overlooking all of this.

Ozzie (: 13:56

⁓ I mean she gives

every excuse in the book, right? She just she just makes excuses. She starts to explain why he lied instead of just sitting with the fact that he did. Like, girl, girl, girl.

Andrea (: 14:07

Yeah. Yes.

Girl. But that's the immaturity. Yeah. Yeah.

Ozzie (: 14:11

So uncomfortable. But then they

ended then they ended that that scene with them kissing. So then I guess now we could now we we we could assume everything's good. Okay.

Andrea (: 14:19

Everything's good.

Yeah, they're

fine. No worries. All right. No worries.

Ozzie (: 14:26

No worries. Just a small little

white lie. I mean, have I told you those those small lies to me it it again, I've said this to you in previous episodes. I don't even think it had anything to do with age of attraction. I've said to you before when we talk we were talking about dating and such. When we were talking about profiles and when people lie about their age or they lie about their their height, that that I

Andrea (: 14:30

Kids Schmidz Add up.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 14:56

When I coach people, I always say a lie is a lie. If you're if you value truth, you are not okay with lies. Has as small as it is. And if you make excuses for it, then you're lying to yourself.

Andrea (: 14:59

Yep, no matter how small.

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely. Great point. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 15:13

So I'm gonna end it there because I'm heated up about this and how

and and not to matter, the other thing that triggers me is is when people try to rush something and try to make excuses for it. And then again, lies upon lies upon lies. And then anyway, we'll get there. I'll let me take a breath.

Andrea (: 15:23

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Ozzie (: 15:34

Okay, trigger no more. Move on.

Andrea (: 15:36

And trigger nip more.

That's it. Okay. We're back. So now we're gonna talk about Derek and Pfeiffer. Okay, so I'm still not totally sold on that what?

Ozzie (: 15:50

Okay. Dink. You say

d

Andrea (: 15:56

Until it totally sold on them. But now, okay, they're talking pretty quickly about kids, right? And at some point in the episode, he's showing her a book of him with his little child. And she's like, my God, that's so cute. And in the sidebar, you know, she's saying a lot of it. I've never dated anybody that has kids. I've never really been around somebody that often that has had kids. So this is all a new experience to her.

Ozzie (: 16:01

Oop.

Andrea (: 16:22

And she absolutely most definitely wants to have kids. So that has to be on his radar. Again, his kids are fourteen or fifteen and five, I think is what they are. So it's like, mm, you're getting a full blown kid. Zah. You are both of them are, but a fifteen year old when you're twenty three, that's huge. That's huge, baby.

Ozzie (: 16:39

Baby. Baby.

And I feel like she also kind of like let's see where things go. Let's see where things go. And kind of go. I just kind of felt like she didn't take this very seriously. She's like I you know, she's got this carefree energy about her, right? Again, you see this with kids that are I mean, she's a college kid, right? Like you just kind of see this carefree thing going on for her, and I mean

Andrea (: 16:46

Yeah.

I agree.

Mm-hmm. She does.

Yeah.

Ozzie (: 17:07

yeah, we'll just kinda see where things go and you just I don't know, you just don't feel the chemistry there. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't I wanted to, but I don't get it.

Andrea (: 17:13

I know, I don't either. I know,

I'm trying. I'm trying. I don't even have any more to say about them, really. They're kind of boring for me, to be to be honest. I know. You know, I left them off my notes entirely. You were like, what about Derek and Pfeiffer? And I'm like, yeah, there's them. Them. Yeah. All right. So moving on from them. Nah, not a fan.

Ozzie (: 17:21

That's what you keep saying.

⁓ them. Yeah, you're not a fan. You're not a fan.

Andrea (: 17:40

All right, next we're gonna talk about Leah and Chris because they have this conversation after where Leah is upset with Chris for not telling her about the fact that he and Vanessa kissed. At the end of the last episode of episode three, that kind of came to light that Chris and Vanessa had kind of gotten together in the pool. They did share some kisses and he did do the little massaging of her neck. To me, not a huge deal, to be honest. ⁓

Maybe the fact that he didn't say anything and so she was blindsided during this conversation because then they're having a conversation with Logan and Vanessa and they happen to bring this up about them kissing. So she has to kind of be like, ⁓ my God, I didn't know that, or you know, react that way. From that side, I think I would probably be a little bit like, Why didn't you just tell me? Like that would have been a great thing to know, right? So I don't Do you think she was right to be upset about Chris not telling her that he kissed Vanessa? Or is it

This is what they're here to do. Do you have to say every little thing you did?

Ozzie (: 18:42

I don't. I mean, you're on a dating show, right? Like you're not like like if it bothers you, then why did you come on the show? I mean, I don't know. You're risk you're going on these shows, you're risking someone, you know I mean, listen, you put the the platter in front of in front of the guy and he's gonna try he's gonna sample it, right? Did he have to tell I mean, would it have been nice? Yeah, it would have been nice, but you're talking about twenty something Miami New Jersey.

Andrea (: 18:46

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes, yes.

Ozzie (: 19:11

Boy who's just a plea I mean, he's he's just full of himself. Not a fan. Not a fan.

Andrea (: 19:16

Nah, totally, totally.

I'm not a fan either. So yeah, I don't think it was worth her bringing it up and trying to create any kind of ⁓ you know negative conversation about it. I think she should have just let it go, but keep it in the back of her head that he didn't mention that to her. He didn't lie to her. He talked about it when the it came to light, but maybe he was just like, it's not worth even bringing up. We had one kiss, we had one little oo-ooh on the neck robe and

Other than that, you know, I'm good. And that's what they're there to do. So I don't know. I think she just kind of blew it.

Ozzie (: 19:48

Mm-hmm.

Well, she did

she did say that it made her feel very alone, you know, 'cause everyone knew and she didn't I I I think I I get it. Like, you know, she was the last person to find out. ⁓ yeah, I mean I would have probably felt I would have felt it. I would have felt it. And and Chris apologized and and he he did recognize that he made the wrong decision in not telling her, but did he really?

Andrea (: 19:59

Yes. From that side, yes, fair.

Mm-hmm.

Did he really? Hmm.

Ozzie (: 20:21

⁓

but again, he knows how to he's a smooth talker, so he knows how to talk to her and convince her, right? Convince her that sh that, you know, but he reassures her that once he once he got together with her that, you know, he's no interest in in Vanessa.

Andrea (: 20:32

Yes.

And then yeah. Okay.

Ozzie (: 20:42

Right.

Andrea (: 20:44

Okay, up next,

we're gonna go on to ⁓ Vanessa and Logan. I'm just gonna touch base on this one real quick. Them in the hot tub, having the little conversation about her meeting his friends. What are they gonna say about her being 49? Should she say she's 39? Should she get some Botox, lip filler, yada yada yada? I don't know. ⁓ I think I have always thought that okay, a guy who's 29.

Ozzie (: 20:47

Mm-hmm.

Andrea (: 21:10

Getting with an attractive woman that's forty nine, his friends are going to be like

Shit.

Nice job, right? Like I think they're gonna be really happy for him and be like, yeah, you've got a cougar, right? Like that's how guys that age are gonna be. She's so worried about I'd be more worried about her friends than about his at that point. And the fact that she's trying so hard to impress him. Girl, own it. And I love that he said that. He told her to own it, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. It just showed.

Ozzie (: 21:32

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. Own it, girl.

Andrea (: 21:47

It showed a little bit of immaturity on her side, the way she was acting. And he did, you know, he was like, It's cute. You're being so innocent and this sweet little girl. But I think it was a little bit like, Okay, girl, chill a little bit. It'll all be okay. It'll all be okay.

Ozzie (: 21:59

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and and ⁓ you know, I feel like and again, I don't I I we don't know how much they edit or what they do in when they're producing this and how they do this, but it just feels like from the audience perspective, from the viewers looking in, it just seems like

Andrea (: 22:20

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 22:22

Way too soon to start talking about this stuff. And if you're gonna talk about it, talk about it before you go into the promise room. You're talking about moving into e where you're gonna move into Dallas or moving to Ohio. Sh you know, I I mean, you're already talking about that stuff, and yes, you should, 'cause if the premise of the show is for you to right, it's important to know all this stuff, but know all the stuff before you go into the promise room, not after. I feel like that's like I don't know.

Andrea (: 22:25

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, it's important.

After there's

so many questions that they could have asked, you know, and not worried about that because you should know all of those things. Where do you live? Are you willing to move? Do you have kids? Have you been married? Do you want to get married again? Do you want to have more kids? All of those things. How do you think your friends will react? Those are all great questions to have asked. And the

Ozzie (: 23:02

They are, especially

when you're dealing with couples that are on different sides of the the states, right? Like they're they're they're they're it we're talking about long distance and let's go there for a moment. Have you ever have you ever had a long distance relationship? Okay. Universally, most people who've had long distance relationships will tell you it is not easy. It is not easy. And and

Andrea (: 23:08

Ex Yeah.

Yes. Mm.

Yes.

And rarely works out.

Ozzie (: 23:32

R unless you have guardrails, unless you have rules and agreements and you both have s your own secure lives and you can you you make sure that the lines of communications are open. Long distance relationships are difficult. So it it

Andrea (: 23:34

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Not to mention

the means, the means to be able to see each other, you know, in a in a absorbent amount of time, right? Like because you see each other once a month does not make a relationship. It just doesn't. It's yeah. So you have to be able to sustain seeing each other. And if you do not have the means to do that, that will also fizzle out quickly if you just can't make that work.

Ozzie (: 23:57

Mm-hmm. Correct.

And if you already are coming with lack of trust, lack of trust of self, lack of trust of others, you are automatically going to make it even harder on yourself. Right. Because and she even talks about it. She even says that that her main issue is going to be trust. She's had that she's had trust broken before with other relationships. And so she kind of she brings that. Yes. And she's two, three, four, five. No.

Andrea (: 24:13

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yep. With her one, two, three, four. Her four engagements.

Ozzie (: 24:35

So she she is worried about him bringing girls, you know, like she he she's just automatically going there. And I think there's also a bias because or ⁓ you know a judgment because he's younger that that's automatically means that he's gonna be out partying and bringing girls home. Right. ⁓ and so I feel like she starts to waste the her time like worrying about it rather than spending time having deeper conversations, how about how they could build it, how you know, what are some things that they can do to make it work for themselves.

Andrea (: 24:35

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 25:05

So that that long relationship can withstand ⁓ the distance.

Andrea (: 25:10

Yeah, yeah, great point. Great point. Okay. So yeah, they had that little conversation. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 25:15

Wait, but you did you

you did bring up the point about the Botox, right? Which Okay, okay, okay. And the lip filler. What

Andrea (: 25:20

Yeah. And the lip filler. Is the lip

filler what? That's now gonna make your friends be like, hot damn, girl. Yeah, dude, nice pick. That is just amaz I I didn't know. Is that what makes you look younger? The lip filler? I I guess. That's what it takes.

Ozzie (: 25:30

Girl, that's not gonna work for you.

I guess she thinks that that's what it I don't know, but ⁓

it it yeah, I I I I get that an a woman in her forties, fifties does start to become more self conscious about the way she looks because things start to droop, you know, collagen is down, you don't look the same way and and so we associate associate youth, right?

Andrea (: 26:02

Mm.

Ozzie (: 26:08

or being viable in the dating world, you know, with looking young and looking young for a lot of people is again fillers and Botox. And we all know that's that's a never ending process because you don't just do a once, you have to do it again and again and again. And not only is it expensive, but it's also it doesn't really actually help your your n not only are you putting it and by the way, I nothing against Botox. I've done Botox and fillers. So I understand it, but there's that demand of

Andrea (: 26:11

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

Ozzie (: 26:37

a younger or an I don't even say older woman, a wiser woman, a midlife woman, right? There's that demand to to look a certain way in order to be viable, especially ones that like to date younger. And Vanessa looks I I think she looks really good for her age. Right?

Andrea (: 26:45

Yes. Right.

Yes.

Looks great. She looks

great. She's got nothing to worry about. And I also kind of feel like the fact that they're on this show, it it's about owning your age and who you are and not worrying about what everybody else thinks. So she's gotta stop. Yes. It's her neediness that she's got that anxiety because he is younger and she's like wanting to feel something from him. And

Ozzie (: 27:07

Exactly. And her whining her whiny voice and her right, like that

Andrea (: 27:21

We, you know, dive a little bit more into that. Yeah, but she needs that. So it's interesting. It's interesting. We're seeing a lot. Yeah.

Ozzie (: 27:23

Validation.

Mm-hmm. I I I get it, girl. I

get it, girl. So it's either so a couple things can happen, right? Like you either learn from it or you become a victim of it. And then you start to spiral and then the relationship just automatically will have to go s in separate ways because he won't be able to handle that. Again, he's younger.

Andrea (: 27:47

Yep.

Yep. Totally. Hmm. Hmm. Okay.

Ozzie (: 27:51

We'll see.

Andrea (: 27:52

Okay, so let's also talk about Libby and Andrew. So I think they're cute. I do think they're cute.

Definitely growing on me. And I do feel like we're getting a little bit more maturity out of her, a little bit more depth in the conversation. She's relaxing. She's letting her guard down. He actually mentions that. What do you think on them?

Ozzie (: 28:15

⁓ cringe. I still think they're I don't know. I just feel like he's like hanging out. Like I mean they show they show them at the beach and I all I thought was like he looks like like I yeah, he looks young, but I just it in my mind it was I was just ha what see once we know their ages, I'm just I I feel so much more, right?

Andrea (: 28:33

It's hard.

Again, why they shouldn't have given those ages till the end. Yeah.

Ozzie (: 28:37

Yeah, and then they're just

it just feels manufactured and they're talking about, you know, his soccer story and yeah, they're getting deeper. And I feel like he's very sensitive and emotional and she's like, ⁓ right, like I s I don't know. I don't know. Jury's out.

Andrea (: 28:44

Yeah.

Yeah.

not

jury's out on that one. Yeah, we'll see. Does he?

Ozzie (: 28:56

Yeah. He annoys me. I don't know why.

She annoys me. Yeah.

Andrea (: 29:03

So they're annoying. That's all we got on them.

Ozzie (: 29:06

Yeah, I just feel yeah. Move on

Andrea (: 29:09

All right, I moved us on. All

right. So, okay, so we now know all the couples that are included in this episode. So we're just gonna touch base a little bit on some of the things that happened after that, which is I think where a lot of the juice came in. Because we we see, you know, John and Teresa are talking and they're just talking about, you know, ⁓ how mature he is. And he's just like, I just wanna share everything with you and tell you exactly how I'm feeling, and I've got nothing to hide.

And she's like, you are so mature. And I think I do like them still. I think they've got like great communication. They definitely have the compatibility and the chemistry. So I think they're moving in the right direction. She's still very nervous about, you know, the age gap, which is a 27 year age gap because of her child being older than him. ⁓ but he is very mature for his age. And then she's like, do you want to say something on that?

Ozzie (: 30:02

No, I I I you could see that the I still I like him. I s I I still think that he's he's you know, Prince Harry still is is willing to have the deep conversations and be patient and and and be present. And she's just all over the place with her emotions.

Andrea (: 30:07

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like that.

She is. She is. And I guess, I mean, you could say rightfully so, she is the one with the kit. He's kind of like I'm here, you know what I mean? And she does have a little bit more to think about. ⁓ 'cause again, we have the older woman dating a younger man too, which is always a little bit controversial.

Ozzie (: 30:40

Yeah,

and Andrea it's I don't know. I also like just the thought of like dating a guy who could be your kid. I the it would just it would just I'm thinking about me today, right? My son is twenty one. My my older my eldest son is thir is twenty one. If I did twenty one first of all whenever. But if I dated someone around the age of twenty one, like let's say I dated one of his friends, twenty three, twenty four.

Andrea (: 30:48

Yeah.

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 31:07

I I just all I would think about was my kid. Like I I just the maturity and their their their knowledge base, their wiz like just just the things that they haven't lived life yet.

Andrea (: 31:12

Yes.

Do you find an attraction, this might be an odd question to ask, but an attraction to like, you know, if your son brought a friend around that was 23, 24, do you find yourself attracted to that at all? Even if you took away, like if he was as many

Ozzie (: 31:34

Yes.

Yes. And you know, and some of them are are flirty and some of them like I just don't know what to do with it. You're like, bro, come on. And you're like, I can't look. I can't look. I mean, even my friends look at my kid and it like they'll either see a picture of my kid or they'll see my kid and they're like, I'm so sorry, but your kid's really good looking. Like, ⁓

Andrea (: 31:40

Okay. Yeah.

I know I've right. And that's the thing because I know, but you kinda want to.

Ozzie (: 32:02

I mean, for you too, right? Yeah, like your kids are very good looking and and like it's awkward to just be like

Andrea (: 32:03

Had that too. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, it's hard where I'm like and I find

myself like, Grant, stop. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's so weird because of that age range. It's like it's still attractive to us because they all look good, you know? They have like the good bodies and stuff. And you're like, Huh, stop, Andrea. Get that out your head, you know? They're looking at a friend or something. It's just weird. I would never, never, never, never. But okay, it's fun to think, fun to look. so

Ozzie (: 32:27

Yeah.

Wait, well let's move on with Teresa and

John, 'cause then it gets a little steamy.

Andrea (: 32:38

Yes. Because

then she's like, all right, let's go to bed. And so they they get up and they're, you know, getting their stuff together. And then she's like, hurry up, kind of thing. And then they cut to, you know, we're hearing noises, obviously. They are they're intimate together in there. And that you know, that's good for them. Good for them. So I I like that. I love where the I don't know that I want to hear the verbiage in there, like, what do you want? I don't think I wanted to hear that.

Ozzie (: 32:51

Diante and

Yeah, I I could have done without

Andrea (: 33:08

And he's like, I

Ozzie (: 33:08

that. Like you're so concerned about

Andrea (: 33:10

just want you. No, I had a

Ozzie (: 33:14

You're so concerned about

your kids finding out and then you do that. Like what? What do you think? The cameras are gonna not pick that up? Come on, girl. Mm mm. Mm mm.

Andrea (: 33:19

Do that? Yeah. No. No. Yeah. I couldn't. I couldn't. I could not.

Okay. So so they do that. Then we kind of cut to the morning, you know, and then we've we kind of, you know, everybody's gone to bed and whatever, and we cut to the morning, or actually right before that, Chris and Leah, they do show kind of Chris carrying Leah into the bedroom as well. And then they do imply in the morning that they didn't get much sleep and had a good time. Yeah.

Ozzie (: 33:43

Awkward. They're

awkward.

Andrea (: 33:45

And that,

I don't know. Why is that different? Why did I feel differently about John and Teresa having it? See, I'm like, good for you. But then when I'm talking about Leah and Chris, we're like, ⁓ awkward.

Ozzie (: 33:55

Because

she was push she you sense that he's not that into her. You s you feel it and and it's like cringe because she's she is doing she's putting so much out there and and I don't know. I I think that's the awkward part. I think and the I I think with Teresa and John, he's really into her. He's he's showing how much he's into her. You feel that there's that that magnetism, so it's it

Andrea (: 34:01

I do, totally.

Yes, yes.

Yeah, you feel that connection. Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 34:24

It doesn't

feel so but then you but then you kind of feel for for for help me out. Leah, thank you. You feel for her.

Andrea (: 34:32

Leah and Chris.

and so then they also cut to Vanel and Jorge, where they're in the gym and you know, she is all over him.

All over him. Smooch, smooch, mage. And he's a he's an attractive man. I get it. I get it. But you know, and of course, him being older, she's got this authority figure in front of her and she's liking all of that. And he's taking his jacket off and she's like, take it off, take it off, you know. ⁓ and so then they kind of he kind of implies that they were somewhat intimate, all even though she's being celibate. And he was like, you know, I thought she was gonna stay on her own side of the bed, and she did not.

She did not, right? And so he kind of brings this up a little bit. He's just touching little touches on it here about it and getting her reaction. And he's like, I don't know if anybody's gonna believe that you stayed on your own side of the bed. The way she was sitting on him in the gym, she's coming on strong and expecting him, a man, to remain strong. She jumps on him.

Ozzie (: 35:29

Mm hmm. I mean she jumps on him.

Andrea (: 35:34

And he's

very attracted to her. And she's a younger woman. And he's like, whoa, she was like cuddling me like crazy last night and everything. But then in the back of his head, he's like, but she wants to stay celibate. So tricky situation for him. You know, tricky, tricky. Yes. ⁓ and then we go into Teresa and Vanessa getting together to have a little conversation about where they're at with things. ⁓ it's funny when I didn't actually

Ozzie (: 35:45

Mm-hmm. Tricky. Tori.

Andrea (: 36:02

see two people being friends, but it totally makes sense because they're around the same age range. I just didn't put that together. And so then they start chatting. And of course Vanessa is like not wasting a moment. She's like, did you and John have sex? Yes or no? Tell me now. And of course, you know, she's like, ⁓ yeah, we did. And you know, and then she's like, I would just imagine he's an energizer baddie. And she's like, To rust me, to rust me.

Ozzie (: 36:14

Girl, yes.

Andrea (: 36:31

And so, ⁓ but then they show Vanessa being a little bit, you know, I say envious and you know, a little bit like, ⁓ because her and Logan, she doesn't feel like they're having that same kind of chemistry. She wants to be having sex a few times a day with him. And she's kind of getting that friend zone vibe from him. She doesn't know how to kind of address that. and they kind of are like, just go for it, have a conversation and then just go for it. So ⁓ yeah.

Ozzie (: 36:50

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and and it's

it's common and it's also appropriate. Well, I don't know if it's how appropriate it is. It's not necessarily healthy, but comparison is a form of you know, it's a form of insecurity, of course, right? I mean, you're going to look outside of yourself to find out to to reference is a reference point as to what's going on or what's wrong with you. And I think it's it's a defense mechanism, you know, so it's it's she's kind of

Andrea (: 37:13

Yes.

Right.

Mm-hmm.

Ozzie (: 37:27

She's looking to see what other couples are doing because she's already, she already notices that there is somewhat of a disconnect between her and Logan. Something is different because she sees the other couples. remember in the last episode, she was seeing the other couples really ⁓ affectionate with each other. And she didn't feel that she and Logan were very affectionate with each other. So she's starting to compare. So that's just her insecurity coming out, right?

Andrea (: 37:42

Yeah.

Yeah, and it's hard.

It is. And it's been a little bit you know, if I look at the difference between her and Logan and John and Teresa, I mean, it's not very comparable to me. I mean, John and Teresa have been day one like zoop investing in each other and building that connection. Whereas Vanessa and Logan were a little bit more of a slow burn and coming on later because she already, you know, smooched with Chris and stuff. So she's just gotta put that into perspective, I think, and she'll be fine. Again, she's gotta slow down.

Ozzie (: 37:57

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea (: 38:13

This girl is like her her anxious attachment is coming out big time. Big time. And so the episode ends out with Vanessa, you know, actually confronting Logan about this and telling him not to feel attacked while I attack you. And say, you know, that this is definitely feeling like a friend zone and like you're not attracted to me. And his eye, he's like, wait, what? Like, I didn't see that at all. Yeah. And so again, is he actually giving what he can give in the moment? And

Ozzie (: 38:14

Yeah, girl.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea (: 38:43

kind of just taking it slowly. And she is like, I want all of you now. You know, she's moving it along. Cougar. Cougar. So it's it's interesting. I think it was good. They had the conversation. They're talking things through that showing that they can actually do that and get to a better place. But I left the end of that episode feeling a little like he might be going, whoa, she's coming on strong and fast, right?

Ozzie (: 38:50

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Cougar.

Mm-hmm.

Andrea (: 39:12

Little bit. A little bit. So I don't know.

Ozzie (: 39:13

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean she

it it look, she I I think she's again still scanning to make sure that she's not just going through the episode that she's not going through the show for no reason. I mean, she does really want to get and she sh it shows she really wants to be in a relationship. But I think slow down, girl.

Andrea (: 39:23

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Slow down, girl. Agreed.

All right, guys, that is our recap of episode four of Age of Attraction. And honestly, the drama is only getting deeper from here. Now, we want to know what you guys think. Which couple are you rooting for right now? What do you think is complete who do you think is completely ignoring red flags? And do you believe age really matters in relationships at this point?

Or is it most mostly about the emotional maturity? Is that the bigger issue here? So make sure you head on over to Instagram and TikTok and join the conversation. I'm at from dot misses dot the number two.miz. You can find Ozzie if you want to hit her up separately. she is at I Am Yeah and not her son's friends. You can find her at I am Ozzy Osbourne. We'd love for you to join the conversation because your comments might end up being featured in a future episode.

Ozzie (: 39:58

yeah.

If you're young if you're the right age.

Please know.

Andrea (: 40:24

episode that we're chatting about because I love some good juice. All right. If you're loving these recaps, please take a second to follow, subscribe, leave a review, share the podcast with your friends. It will definitely help us do more. We will be back with episode five coming your way soon. Bye.